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Old 12-22-2020, 03:03 PM   #51
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If your crankshaft is pointing the wrong direction when you have the camshafts pointing the right direction, chances are your belt slipped and you may have had one or more valves hit a piston.

My advice is to count the teeth.
  • There are 133 total timing belt teeth.
  • There are 40 teeth between left and right camshaft sprocket timing marks.
  • There are 43 teeth between the driver's side camshaft sprocket and crankshaft sprocket timing marks.
If your crankshaft sprocket is off just a little, turn it so that it lines up.

The dimple (or punch mark) on the crankshaft should point somewhere around the 4 o'clock position.





The Service Manual for all years says there is an alignment mark on the engine to line up the crankshaft with, but I never saw one in any of the 3 engines that I have done a timing belt job on.



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Crankshaft seal


Paper Clamp
Holds the belt in place so it doesn't slip


Camshaft Seal
Left (Passenger) Side
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Old 12-22-2020, 06:49 PM   #52
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With number 1 cylinder on TDC my timing marks is at about 12:30 or 1:00 if I put it on the mark at 4 or 5 o'clock my piston has already started down I'm thinking maybe the keyway is broke I hope
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With number 1 cylinder on TDC my timing marks is at about 12:30 or 1:00 if I put it on the mark at 4 or 5 o'clock my piston has already started down I'm thinking maybe the keyway is broke I hope
I think that TDC is just to get you in the ballpark.

I think! I'm not a mechanic, though.
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Old 12-22-2020, 11:01 PM   #54
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No, the #1 piston at TDC is what is correct. That’s the baseline. The position of the piston in relation to the rotation of the crankshaft is fixed. You set that piston to TDC on the compression stroke. If anything else doesn’t line up with the piston, THAT thing is wrong, the piston is right. The other things get moved to align with the piston’s position.
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Keyway is not broke I'm not sure what is going on I checked it again today Like I said the piston being on TDC puts the alignment mark on crack shaft timing gear at about 1:00 .Do you think counting the teeth will work or it may be best I go ahead & do a compression check
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I'm not sure if counting the teeth on the belt does any good if the punch mark is in the wrong area.

A compression test would be great, but that's going to be difficult without the timing belt.
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The timing belt is still on it I bought from a bank repo & the timing cover & a few more parts was in the back so I went ahead & pulled the bottom cover & harmonic balancer to find this
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Let’s go back to basics to make sure we’re not missing something. The #1 cylinder is on the passenger side of the engine on the front. The valves are closed on the #1 cylinder? Are you sure that there is a woodruff key installed on the crankshaft sprocket? Make sure you’re on the compression stroke, then remove the belt and the crankshaft sprocket. There is no explanation that I can come up with for the crank sprocket to be misaligned other than the woodruff key not holding it in place.

If the #1 piston is at TDC on the compression stroke the crankshaft MUST be in the correct location as well. If this were NOT the case the engine would be locked up because there would be major components inside the engine broken, like rods or the crankshaft. So if the piston is correct (it always is) then the crankshaft is correct as well by default. That means the crankshaft sprocket itself must be incorrectly installed. There is only one way to install it correctly. You place the woodruff key into the slot on the crankshaft, align the slot on the sprocket, and slide it on. The ONLY way it can be misaligned is if the woodruff isn’t there or something is broken and allowing it to turn freely from the crankshaft.
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You are right but the woodruff key is in line with the harmonic balancer key .When I got it home I turned the engine over by hand 6 or 7 times before I put a battery on it turned it over & it never hit I pulled number one plug & the harmonic balancer off turned it by hand put a straw in the spark plug hole when the piston on the left front gets on TDC the dot on the crankshaft timing gear is at 1:00 & if you move it to 5 or 5:30 where the mark is on the cover the piston is already started down .The crankshaft could be broke I guess but the piston goes up & down when I turn it over by hand .Sounds like you know these engines pretty good my other one is 2.4 .Does the woodruff key on the gear & the harmonic balancer usually in line & if so where is the dot on the gear if the key is straight up 12:00
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Does the woodruff key on the gear & the harmonic balancer usually in line & if so where is the dot on the gear if the key is straight up 12:00
Going back to my picture in Post 51, the woodruff key is on the opposite side of the dimple on the gear.

You could pull the gear off and see if the key stripped. If it did, that engine took a hard hit.
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