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Old 07-22-2020, 10:53 PM   #1
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Default rear brakes advice at 130k

So there's nothing wrong with my original rear brakes on my 94 ka24e manual hb 4x4 with 130k miles but I noticed that the shoes and hardware were so cheap to replace .



However I'm worried that after market parts would have fitment and quality issues.


I was just going to clean regrease and sand the pads and drum a little bit. I'm in Nevada so not much rust at all. I just did my 2k 4runner and the hardware parts were still shiny after degreasing, no rust at all. I don't think the cylinders are leaking either.


So do I clean my original OEM parts or replace with aftermarket at 130k and 26 yrs later? I don't really want to replace the drums but turning them will be $50 but at least I have my oem drums that have only been turned once. I'm wary of aftermarket drums.



So if you say I replace my brakes. shoes - Wagner, Raybestos, or Centric? Replace the hardware, how about the drums? Turn the 1st time or aftermarket? Which brand? Lastly, I can't find an Aisin or japanese cylinder even on rockauto, so do I just keep the old ones? Do I want to replace the seal and o rings? Or what brand is ok? Thanks!
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Old 07-22-2020, 11:38 PM   #2
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I went with power stop coated drums from rock auto. I believe I got beck arnley shoes. Any of the mid to high quality shoes will likely be comparable. I stay away from the economy stuff. Big difference for me. Mine had 200k on them. G
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If they work fine I wouldn't bother. Im at 188k and 34 years on my rear brakes.
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Centric is also a good brand. I've had good luck with their parts on a number of different vehicles. The thing with drum brakes is that the wheel cylinders will usually start leaking long before the shoes or drums wear out. It you're replacing the shoes I'd see about getting the drums resurfaced first. No need to spend the money on new ones if they're still above the minimum thickness. Always get the hardware kit too.
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If they work fine I wouldn't bother. Im at 188k and 34 years on my rear brakes.
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No need to spend the money on new ones if they're still above the minimum thickness. Always get the hardware kit too.

wow 34 yrs! My 2K 4Runner is on its 3rd set of rear shoes, just because the rear axle gear oil would leak and soak the shoes so I decided to do the repair myself and not rely on someone else that would only mess up the job. On both occasions, the shoe thickness was like new.



I heard the brakes on the d21 last forever that's why I was thinking of just cleaning and re-using everything.



The question is do I lightly sand the shoes and drum in case it is glazed?
If yes, what grit? Or just spray some brake cleaner and call it good?
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I went with power stop coated drums from rock auto. I believe I got beck arnley shoes. Any of the mid to high quality shoes will likely be comparable. I stay away from the economy stuff. Big difference for me. Mine had 200k on them. G

200K on yours and 188K on Deerhurst's, yep just definitely going to stick with my originals, like I said it's fine. I just want to do some preventative maintenance while I am working from home.
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I did the front brakes on my truck at about 160k. I thought they were bad because they were squeaking. Probably 60% or better pad left. I went ahead and replaced the pads, rotors and wheel bearings because I was in there.



Last time I had them checked the rears were fine.
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I did the rear drum brakes on my truck two weekends ago. Mileage on truck was 122K. Pad remaining was about 60%. Afterward, you will have to adjust that center cable under your truck that controls the emergency brake. Just two 12mm nuts, loosen one, tighten the other, easy.

I used all my OEM parts when I switched out the shoes. Sometimes the aftermarket hardware isn't as good as your originals. You probably won't need to have the drums turned. Just clean them out with brake cleaner and lay a little fine sandpaper to the insides, that is usually good enough. But the hardware kits are cheap, so I suggest ordering them anyway and just using the parts that you think you need and throw the remainder into your bolt cans. (Coffee cans to hold your spare bolts, hardware, springs, etc.) NEVER throw a single piece of hardware for your truck away. Sooner or later, you will be dumping out those cans and searching for something.

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When doing drum brakes, remove both wheels and drums together, but work only on ONE side until that side is COMPLETELY DONE. This is so if you screw up, you can run to the OTHER side and see where you went wrong.

When putting on the new brake shoes, do the large, top main spring first, and the bottom spring last. Otherwise you will have a really hard time getting in the top spring. Do NOT sandpaper the old shoes.

Brakes were a little bit better and a bit more near the top on the pedal when I got done, but I could have let them go for another 20-30K miles if I had wanted to. Braking probably improved 15% or so.

Trivia: The reason your front disk pads wear out so much faster than the rear shoes is because when you brake your vehicle, most of the weight shifts toward the front....thereby putting more load on the front brakes.
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wow 34 yrs! My 2K 4Runner is on its 3rd set of rear shoes, just because the rear axle gear oil would leak and soak the shoes so I decided to do the repair myself and not rely on someone else that would only mess up the job. On both occasions, the shoe thickness was like new.
Funny you mention that...we have a 98 4runner that did the same thing. I had thought it was just the wheel cylinder leaking until I actually pulled the drums off and discovered a nasty conglomeration of gear oil and brake dust. FWIW the pads were still good and I just sprayed everything down with brake cleaner and put it back together after replacing the axle seal. No problems to report. If it keeps doing it check that the vent isn't clogged.

I prefer working on disc brakes but in their defense drum brakes last a really long time before they need replacing. I replaced all the rear brake components in my sienna van last month and I anticipate the wheel cylinders will start leaking long before anything else goes bad. I used centric parts... everything fit as it should.
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The question is do I lightly sand the shoes and drum in case it is glazed?
If yes, what grit? Or just spray some brake cleaner and call it good?
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If you just want to get rid of money, I can give you my PayPal address.

Otherwise, put it back together and leave it alone.

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