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btn 09-14-2020 08:45 PM

Hardbody vs Pathfinder body height.
 
Has anyone ever noticed that at least on the 4x4s, the Hardbody body is a bit higher relative to the frame than the Pathfinder body? I think maybe that was done just on the pickups so that they could make the bed deeper (higher sidewalls relative to bed floor).
Thoughts?

jp2code 09-15-2020 12:18 AM

It could also be because the truck uses leaf springs. They might require more room.

Foul_Mouth 09-15-2020 12:22 AM

Odd because i have torn both down to frames and they use the same body mounts.

ahardb0dy 09-15-2020 03:16 PM

The hardbody body mounts sit higher on the frame, some say the 4x4 Hardbody's have a built in 1" body lift.

Foul_Mouth 09-16-2020 06:00 PM

Doesn't seem accurate, the mounts are the same from the b pillar forward.

ahardb0dy 09-16-2020 09:53 PM

Something is different because the Hardbody 4x4 is higher than the Pathfinder


Just looked up the actual mount that goes on the frame and 1 part number covers 2wd and another part number is for 4wd, Weird thing is the same mount for the 4wd also shows as being used on the Pathfinder.


Also looked up the rubber mount part and that number seems to be the same 2 or 4 wd

PoBoi850 09-17-2020 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahardb0dy (Post 539932)
Something is different because the Hardbody 4x4 is higher than the Pathfinder


Just looked up the actual mount that goes on the frame and 1 part number covers 2wd and another part number is for 4wd, Weird thing is the same mount for the 4wd also shows as being used on the Pathfinder.


Also looked up the rubber mount part and that number seems to be the same 2 or 4 wd

Maybe it has taller tires or something. I think all pathfinders are on 4wd frames, 2wd or 4wd. It could be the springs vs leafs on the rear axle. It could be different at the bottom edge on the pinch, making it appear higher. I'm just guessing. I am probably the least knowledgeable on the subject.

Foul_Mouth 09-17-2020 02:40 AM

Pathys with flares look lower than 4wd hbs without flares. As I said, no expert here but, i have body swapped a hardbody cab on to a pathfinder frame and all the mounting bits have been the same between the two. The pathy weighs more so it may sit lower because of that too. But part for part I found them to be the same from the b pillars forward.

ahardb0dy 09-17-2020 07:53 PM

Pathfinder and Hardbody do not use the same frame due to the coil springs on the rear of the Pathfinder, All Pathfinder's do use the same frame as far as both 2 and 4 wd having the same front suspension setup.


I'm just going by what I have heard from the Pathfinder guys, I know they always complain after putting on the same amount of lift as a Hardbody owner does and they have less tire clearance.


I looked at some brochures yesterday comparing the amount of space between the fender flare and the tire on the Hardbody and the Pathfinder and the Hardbody has a noticeable amount of more space, IT may be the way they adjusted the torsion bars so I checked that also in the service manuals and both the HB and the Pathfinder show the same specs for setting the bars, so I do not know what is up.


I know you put the hardbody cab on the Pathfinder frame, everything should line up up until the bed, but do you have a 4x4 frame to compare the body mount brackets and how ( and where) they are attached to the frame?


Pics below, both from 1988 Brochures, hard to tell exactly the height as there is no way to tell if both trucks are stationary, but you can see there is a difference in tire clearance in the front, both are on the lego wheels with 31" tires.


88 Hardbody:


https://i.postimg.cc/K8wzSbq5/1988-N...ochure-A-5.jpg


88 Pathfinder:


https://i.postimg.cc/jjfjR1BY/1988-N...thfinder-6.jpg

ahardb0dy 09-17-2020 08:02 PM

Also, just checked the overall height of the Hardbody (king cab 4x4) and the Pathfinder (4x4) and the Hardbody shows height at 67.1", the Pathfinder at 66.1".


These numbers were taken from the 1994 Factory service manual.


Which coincides with the 1" higher the Hardbody supposedly sits than the Pathfinder.


And looking in the 1989 FSM, the Hardbody (king cab 4x4) sits at 66.7", the Pathfinder at 65.7"

jp2code 09-17-2020 09:49 PM

That was some serious investigating, Tony.

I wonder if your 2017 Frontier Desert Runner sits higher in stock trim than my 2008 Xterra Off Road.

Foul_Mouth 09-17-2020 11:48 PM

B pillar forward same.


Foul_Mouth 09-17-2020 11:52 PM



Not many follow my build thread so here are the highlights.

Foul_Mouth 09-17-2020 11:57 PM


Foul_Mouth 09-17-2020 11:59 PM

Yes, the rear is completely different but after tearing 2 hardbodies and 2 pathys down to the frames, the front mounts are exactly the same. My d21 cab swap was a direct bolt on affair. That is a 2wd 86.5 long bed v6 cab sitting on a 92 xev6 wd21 pathy frame. I only used longer bolts because i added a body lift.

Foul_Mouth 09-18-2020 12:08 AM



Last one and the latest. 2003 Xterra vg33er bolts right in and the trans is out of a 90 wd21.

Foul_Mouth 09-18-2020 12:19 AM


PoBoi850 09-18-2020 12:05 PM

Maybe it's just from the extra weight the pathy has over the rear wheels? and empty HB bed weighs much less than the steel and glass the Pathy has back there.

ahardb0dy 09-18-2020 06:53 PM

I'm not saying the cab mounts aren't the same, they would be in the same locations, so the cab from the Hardbody would go directly onto the frame from the Pathfinder, but are the actual mounts that are welded to the frame at the same height on the frame?

ahardb0dy 09-18-2020 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jp2code (Post 539988)
That was some serious investigating, Tony.

I wonder if your 2017 Frontier Desert Runner sits higher in stock trim than my 2008 Xterra Off Road.


My Desert runner uses the same struts as the 4wd and has the same size tires as well, per the FSM the height of a PRO4X (should be the same as mine, mine is not listed) is 69.7", the 2008 Xterra 4wd (no mention of different trims just 2 or 4 wd) is listed as having an overall height of 74.9" but that includes the roof rack.

So measure from your roof to the top of the roof rack and subtract that from the number above.

ahardb0dy 09-18-2020 07:12 PM

OK, I watched your first video, look at the body mount that is right around the front of the door area, see how the mount looks like it slopes downward?


screenshot from your video below:


https://i.postimg.cc/P5TjVspP/Pathfinder-frame.jpg


Now look at the same mount (other side) from a 4x4 Hardbody frame, doesn't it look like the mount slopes upward? Or am I seeing things?? (Pic from Synbiotic12)


https://i.postimg.cc/jScrGgPv/4x4-frame.jpg


close up of above pic:


https://i.postimg.cc/GhkRjhpW/4x4-frame-1.jpg

ahardb0dy 09-18-2020 07:14 PM

I think that is the height difference, it may be a 2" height difference and not the 1" that I said earlier.

I rest my case ! LOL

ahardb0dy 09-18-2020 07:27 PM

1 more pic, this is a 2wd king cab frame (pic from David29), notice the same mount in the pics above, seems like the 2wd mounts also slope downward.


Seems like on the 4x4 Hardbody the top of the mount where the body mount sits on is actually above the height of the frame rail but on the Pathfinder and 2wd Hardbody the top of the mount looks like it is below the top of the rail.





https://i.postimg.cc/858wwDcY/2wd-frame.jpg

XoXSciFiGuy 09-19-2020 07:40 AM

Well...all I know is that the wife owns a 98 Pathy and I have the 97 truck. And when we sit side by side, hers is taller. Body also sits farther off the ground on hers than on my truck.

But here's the weird thing. When you measure from bumper to bumper on both these rigs..my king cab is LONGER than the Pathy. :rolleyes:

ahardb0dy 09-19-2020 05:50 PM

apples and oranges with that, your talking one gen vs another.

Motorhead 12-24-2020 03:19 PM

I forgot where I read it in a service manual but yeah the four-wheel-drive trucks have a 1 inch body lift compared to the Pathfinder


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